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Casino (1995) - Nostalgia Check
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This week on Nostalgia Check presented by BJ in the Morning, we’re watching Martin Scorsese’s 1995 crime epic Casino for the very first time.
Did one of the greatest gangster films ever made live up to decades of hype? We break down the biggest moments, discuss Robert De Niro, Sharon Stone, and Joe Pesci’s performances, dive into IMDb and Letterboxd reviews, and decide if Casino passes the Nostalgia Check.
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Welcome back to the morning here. How you doing today? I'm doing great. This isn't the nostalgia. This is the nostalgia check where we're uh putting our nostalgia to the test with first time watches and rewatches, and we're finding out what holds up. My name's Brendan. And I'm Juan. And welcome back to the show. Yeah, welcome back. Welcome back. I hope everyone had a great 4th of July. That was last week. Yeah. I hope you enjoyed our Toy Story episode from last week. Yeah. Why are you saying that? Yeah. Oh, yeah, we did that. Yeah, we did that. We forgot already. Have you seen Toy Story 5 yet?
SPEAKER_01I have not. Have you? I have not. We should go watch it. Maybe. Without our kids. Scandalous. Uh oh.
SPEAKER_05Scandalous. You know what I'm gonna do? What? I'm gonna see Spider-Man without my kids.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah. At least the first one. Well, first of all, you don't know if it's gonna be anything scary. Yeah. It could be. You gotta you gotta pre-watch before you let the kids watch. Every time. You know what I mean? There could be a little bit of scary stuff. So scary.
SPEAKER_05So scary and just Spider-Man. So scary. Scary. One, today we're talking about Casino from 1995 to finish out our uh two episodes on 1995. How are we feeling? I'm feeling pretty good. How was it going back to the 90s finally?
SPEAKER_01I liked it. We didn't watch the movies I wanted to watch, but that's okay. That's okay. That's okay. It's all about compromise. It gets compliments in a in a healthy relationship. You know what I mean? Yeah. So um I did really enjoy Toy Story, and I did enjoy Casino as well. Yeah. I was surprised that I'd never seen it because like mafia movies or mafia stories, I guess I should say, intrigue me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, I'm very interested in seeing, like, especially if it's based on a true story, which this was. I find it very fascinating. So I'm surprised I haven't seen this movie.
SPEAKER_05I'm not surprised I haven't seen this. It's a very long movie. It's very, it's very gory.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Uh very lots of sexual themes and cussing and Joe Pesci being Joe Pesci.
SPEAKER_01You know, most of the things that happened in this movie, they wanted to make Scorsese give it a NC17 rating or take those scenes out. And he said, Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Nothing in this movie screams NC17.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But in the 90s in the 90s, so like it was very But I feel like the 90s were like we're coming off of the the 80s where we had things like Robocop. Right? The 90s were pretty dark, pretty bleak. Movies were darker than they are now. Yeah. So I this movie feels very 90s. Yeah. It doesn't feel like it could have been made today, but it did remind me a lot of a movie that we have watched. So I'm looking forward to talking about that after we get through the details of the movie and break down the details. After we get through the plot details, the the writers, directors, actors, all that good stuff. So do you want to jump right in?
SPEAKER_01Uh sure. Can I give you a fun fact real quick? Sure, for fun. About the movie. It's about the movie. FF? It's it's a FF about the M. FFM? FFM. Well, that no. What is that? Anyways. FFM? FFM. Fun fact about the movie.
SPEAKER_05FF F FAM? Right. FM. FF Fam.
SPEAKER_01Anyways. FFAM. Somebody wanted to write a book about the the man that this movie is about. Uh they changed the name. And Scorsese was working on another movie. He wanted to uh drop out of that movie to make this movie because he heard about the book that guy was writing. So he hired the guy and said, Hey, I want to make a movie about your book. The guy said, My book's not finished. And he's like, Too bad. We're making this movie. So he had to write the script and finish the book at the same time. That's annoying. Isn't that crazy? That's almost how like Hitchcock did it with Psycho. But like in 1995 and Martin Scorsese had that kind of pool. Yeah. Is crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah. He was like, I don't want to do that movie.
SPEAKER_05I'm going to do this one.
SPEAKER_01I'm already halfway through this movie, but I'm going to have someone else take over. Yeah. Do you know what movie it was doing? Uh I did, but no, I don't remember now.
SPEAKER_05I'm going to leave that part in though. Yeah. That's fine. Unless you say the code.
SPEAKER_01I'm not going to I'm not going to say it. Okay. Um. Yeah, so let's get into the IMDB reviews.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the the Snooty 2D high class reviews over on IMDB.
SPEAKER_01Snooty 2D high class reviewies. I like that. Review reviewties? Reviewties.
SPEAKER_05Reviewties nuts. Uh Casino, 1995. Rated R two hours 58 minute runtime.
SPEAKER_01Honestly, I didn't even feel it, but maybe I was just like super engaged in the movie.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Did you? I felt it. You felt it. I felt it a lot. I feel like you're you're gonna feel any three-hour movie.
SPEAKER_05I feel like we have different opinions on this movie, and I can't wait to get into it. Okay. Tagline, synopsis, whatever you would say. In Las Vegas, two best friends, a casino executive and a mafia enforcer, compete for a gambling empire and a fast living, fast loving socialite. 8.2 on IMDB, 73 on Metascore. Pretty good, pretty good. Starring Robert De Niro, Sharon Stone, Joe Pesci, James Woods, Don Rickles, Alan King, Kevin Pollack, and the best name in all of movie history, Dick Smothers. Yeah. When I saw that name Pomp Up. Dick. Dick's Mothers. Dick Smothers. Yeah. That's the guy's name. That's wild. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Directed, as we said, Martin Scorsese. Written by Nicholas Pilegi, who was the writer of the book and the screenplay. User reviews. Are you ready for this? 10 out of 10. An underrated and undervalued Scorsese classic. This one's from October 28th, 2000.
SPEAKER_012000? Five years later.
SPEAKER_05This review is 26 years old.
SPEAKER_01Wow. IMDB's been around, man.
SPEAKER_05It's been around. If you haven't seen Casino yet, stop whatever, whatever it is you're doing, rush to the nearest video store, rent it, and watch it. We can't.
SPEAKER_03We can't.
SPEAKER_05We can't do that anymore. We can't. Um along with open one. I've literally been saying this for years. Anyways. Along with Mean Street's Casino is probably Scorsese's most underrated and uh unheralded picture. Next one, guess what it is? 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. From February 2000. A complex, multi-layered, beautifully directed film. Marin Scorsese's Casino is a masterpiece of destruction and betrayal. Few films take so many chances and succeed so wonderfully. Very nice. Very nice. I'm trying to find one that might be less than a 10 out of 10. And guess what? Here's a 1 out of 10. Oh shit. This one's from November 2003. This might not be Scorsese's worst movie. It may be his most negligible movie, given that it's very much a remake of the director's own Goodfellas, which was a pretty empty affair to begin with. How about a five out of ten? Alright. This one's from 2002. Okay. This movie is entertaining for sure, but just one attentive glance at the editing, and you know Scorsese's struggling to make it work. The voiceovers simply function to move the plot in places where the filmed action can't take it. A film relying on voiceover for exposition is usually missing something. Plus, as a movie about how relationships can dissolve, there really isn't much to work from. Plus, Joe Pesci is simply reprising his role from Goodfellas. In fact, it seems the entire movie is just a Goodfellas retread, but without the great pacing and script that kept the classic together. Just because Martin Scorsese directed it doesn't mean it's good. Pretty, pretty harsh over there.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I can see it though. I can see where they're coming from. You've seen Goodfellas? Uh, yes.
SPEAKER_05I have not. You haven't? No. I don't think mafia movies were my thing when we were growing up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I think the like the film noir genre, my peak as a kid was Who Frame Roger Rabbit.
SPEAKER_00Nice.
SPEAKER_05But as I got into film school, I watched like the Maltese Falcon and things of that nature.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05And those old classics did it for me more than the newer ones. And I don't think Scorsese was really someone I followed at all until the departed. The departed.
SPEAKER_01The departed. Um, yeah, but like also I think Martin Scorsese really tried to put his own like flair on the noir style, which is which made it not noir.
SPEAKER_05You know what I mean? There was a lot of noir elements in Casino for sure. A lot of the shots and the lighting that how they especially how they lit Sharon Stone in this movie. They had the light beam across the eyes and everything like that, and deep shadows. But a lot of that felt like they were just using the lighting, besides the light bar across the eye, but a lot of the lighting in this movie felt like it was just based on the lighting in the places they were shooting. Bright casino lights, but also casinos have a lot of bright lights, but they're all warm temperature lights. Yeah. So they they glow, but it's not, you know, stupid.
SPEAKER_01I feel like a lot of the lighting stuff was intentional, especially with her.
SPEAKER_05Definitely.
SPEAKER_01You know, to to show her her downfall throughout the movie, you know what I mean? And I do love, and we can get into this later, that there is a beginning, middle, and end to her mental health, you know what I mean? Like to her her well-being in this movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Especially with her relationship with Hades.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_05Right. Because he's Hades and Hercules. Right. Anyways. Let's go, let's go over to uh to Letterboxd, where the real gangsters are hanging out, leaving reviews. This movie's got a 4.2 over on Letterboxd. Okay. Pretty good. Pretty good out of five. Let's see what we got. Four and a half stars. De Niro is a fucking king.
SPEAKER_00Hell yeah, baby.
SPEAKER_05Four stars. This movie is two percent casino, 98% Robert De Niro in swaggy suits.
SPEAKER_01Hell yeah. Hell yeah. They had like 76 suits on on site for him.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And they're all bright.
SPEAKER_01Every scene he has a different suit on. He should he's he should. He's rich. And he's Robert De Niro.
SPEAKER_05And he's Robert fucking De Niro. Four stars. As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a casino. It's a good fellow's quote, but instead of a gangster, it's a casino. Four stars. I can't quite put my finger on it, but this Scorsese movie reminds me of another Scorsese movie. Hmm. Hmm. And four and a half, all things considered, these guys were kind of okay dads.
SPEAKER_01So um he did come off of Goodfellas basically into this movie, right?
SPEAKER_05I want to say so. I don't remember when Goodfellas came out because I didn't see it in the theaters. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Right. You know what I'm saying? Shouldn't have. Shouldn't have. I was maybe you did and you don't remember. It came out in 1990, so there's no way.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so just a couple years. Anything in between?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so Cape Fear was 91.
SPEAKER_01Well, uh, how about we get into the plot of this Martin Scorsese movie?
SPEAKER_05Oh, Martin Scorsese's we can Marty. Marty Scorsese.
SPEAKER_01Marty Scorsese, we can give our thoughts about, you know, like we haven't talked about this movie, so no, we have not. We can get into it and then we can review it and we have to spin the wheel today.
SPEAKER_05No, we're spinning the wheel today? Yeah. Can't wait. Let's do it. Juan, before we get into the details of this movie, I need to ask a huge favor from everyone listening to the podcast. What is that? A listen a podcast? No. What's the favor? So a podcast is a form of the favor.
SPEAKER_01What's the favor?
SPEAKER_05The favor is that if you've made it this far, it would be really awesome. And it would help us out if you could just go leave a five-star rating on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Podcasts. Yeah. I think it would be really cool. And we wouldn't have to send Joe Pesci after your ass.
SPEAKER_01Right. He's like 80 years old now.
SPEAKER_05But he'd still you know, he'd still do some damage.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He he's scrappy. They call him the tax man.
SPEAKER_05The tax man coming.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. They call him the knee breaker.
SPEAKER_05Uh so that would be really awesome if you could do that. And if you want to follow us on any social media platforms other than the podcast ones, scroll down to the notes down below. There's a link to everything that we're we're on. For sure. And um, if you're on YouTube, like and subscribe. Yeah. That's it. That's it.
SPEAKER_01That's it. Maybe share it. Maybe to a friend. Tell people. Share it to your IG. Say these guys are pretty sick. Go uh give a watch. Listen.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, if you put it in your story, uh tag us and then we'll uh add it to our story. Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. Uh let's start this movie though. We uh we start by meeting Sam Ace Rothstein. Ace. Um he's sent by the mob back home to run the Tangiers casino. They never say the where back home is because they weren't allowed to say Chicago. Yeah. Because of the mob in Chicago.
SPEAKER_01Right, which is which is the mob that they're all apart.
SPEAKER_05But they weren't allowed to say it in the movie. So that's why when anytime they talk about back home, they're talking about the Windy City.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they also weren't allowed to talk about the actual hotel that it happened in.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01So they made it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_05Uh so he's incredibly good at his job and he turns the casino into a money printing machine. Nicki Santoro, Ace's childhood friend and mob enforcer, arrives in Vegas to protect the operation for the guys back home. Right. So right at the start, this movie starts with just narration for I think the first hour of the movie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and also the the the title card to this movie was extremely long. Like when I was watching that title card, I was like, dude, is this what you do when you have a three-hour long movie?
SPEAKER_05You stretch the time. You just have all this You stretch the time. All this time to do nothing. I want to point out now, and it's something that happens throughout the entire time that like the the main part of this movie at the the start is just a voiceover from Robert De Niro and then later on Joe Pesci. And they take turns back and forth, and they're just explaining everything that has happened over voiceover, and I I'm gonna say it, I don't care that you broke your elbow, but I'm also gonna say I don't think these guys are great at voiceover acting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05They sound so bored, you can tell their reading just off the page. Yeah, I don't I don't believe anything they're saying, but then you go to a shot where they're acting in in a scene together, and I'm terrified of these men. But the voiceover acting is so bad and it's so dry, there's no emotion to it whatsoever.
SPEAKER_01You can see the the connection that uh uh Robert De Niro and Joe Pecci have, and the majority of their scenes together were improvised. Which tells me a lot because they well, they've worked together for a long time before this, but also like Robert De Niro is so good in this movie. I think he's the best part of this movie. Yeah. But uh when they're together, he brings it out of Joe Pesci because Joe Pesci his character was extremely bland for me by himself.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh it was almost like he didn't know what to do with himself, you know, like he was saying the words, he was acting to act.
SPEAKER_05The only time I felt it is when he was beating the shit out of someone, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but when he's just being a guy, he's just walking around, like when they were uh walking around hiding their mouths from the from the FBI, it almost like he didn't know what to do with his body, like he was walking weird, and maybe that's just how he walks. But it just felt off, and it's like do you need Robert De Niro right there holding your hand? Yes, which Joe Pesci is great. I love my cousin Vinny, one of the best movies I think.
SPEAKER_05Uh Home Alone One and Two.
SPEAKER_01Home Alone One and Two. Um you said my cousin Vinny? My cousin Vinny.
SPEAKER_05Someone's in that movie that we we really like. Your mom. No. Isn't Marissa Tomei in that?
SPEAKER_01Is she?
SPEAKER_05I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01Pretty sure she is. But either way, I think uh uh Joe Pesci is great, but in this movie it felt rushed. It didn't feel like cohesive unless they were together. Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci.
SPEAKER_05Let's give it up for Marissa Tomei and my cousin Vinny. Let's get back to this one though, casino, because that's what we're talking about today. I agree. I think a lot of the times Joe Pesci is just kind of there. Uh-huh. The only time I really feel what he's doing and putting onto the screen is when he's beating the crap out of someone. I was like, Well, what'd you say to my friend? And then beats the shit out of that guy in the bar at the beginning. Yeah. It's you feel those moments because he's he's good in these roles. Yeah. As we're continuing, Ace meets Ginger and immediately falls in love with her. He almost like borderline becomes obsessed with her. And she's a like a hustler, con artist type of thing for her her man, her pimp, her pimp, played by James Woods. James Woods. Who was the voice of Hercules or uh Hades in Hercules? Can't not hear her. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. When he's when he's dropping F bombs later on, I'm like, Hades, stop it. What are you doing? What are you doing? But despite all the warning signs from Ginger herself and anyone else, he wants her. Ace wants to be with her, wants any anything to do with her. And this moment felt exactly like Wolf of Wall Street. When Margot Robbie's introduced, it felt like Wolf of Wall Street copied this a hundred percent. This whole relationship with them two in this part of the movie at the beginning of the movie felt like the Wolf of Wall Street with DiCaprio and I mean Margot Robbie.
SPEAKER_01I felt like Margot Robbie in The Wolf of Wall Street did feel a little more genuine as far as like she's marrying him for his money, but but she's gonna pretend that she loves him. But in Casino, she straight up says, I don't love you. Why would you want to marry me? And he continues. He basically says, You will have all the money in the world, you will have everything that you want.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You and my child that you're gonna have are gonna be taken care of for the rest of your life.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, their relationship is unstable from the get-go. And with Lester Diamond, who's the pimp being around, he causes problems nonstop. And you can tell that he pretty much groomed this girl who is now ginger, right? Because she says at one point that he got her as a as a kid and raised her and everything. He's manipulated her brain and her mannerisms and her every will to be alive. He created this. Right. She works for him, but she's in love with him. Like, and not even in love. I think it's obsessed because he forced her to be obsessed. Yeah. Anytime he's brought up, anytime in the entire movie that he might be in danger, the pimp she freaks out. Uh Nikki's Violence becomes a big problem. So Nikki starts robbing, extorting, and murdering people all around Vegas. He can't get enough of just taking advantage of normal ass people all over. He's robbing houses, he's jumping people in the streets, he's taking care of anyone that steps out of line in Vegas. Even though the boys back home keep telling him to stop, and Ace is telling him to stop.
SPEAKER_01Because he's trying to veer off and do his own thing. He's trying to make his own name for himself. Yeah. Which he already has a name for himself with the mafia back home. Um I want to take a step back real fast because uh they uh say from the beginning that uh Sam was addicted to gambling. So he has that addictive personality. So then he becomes addicted to ginger, and then he becomes addicted to uh the crime that's happening uh within the casino to keep uh order in his casino. You know what I'm saying? So it feels like it just is like a slippery slope. Yeah, he becomes obsessed with the job, but he also becomes very meticulous to keep himself out of it. Yeah, but he has not he did not lay a finger on one person in this whole movie. Even when he brought the cheater in, the the guy cheating at blackjack brought him in, made them break his fucking hands with a hammer, but he didn't even fucking touch the hammer. Nope.
SPEAKER_05So and a lot of it's because they they tricked the system by by putting him out there. He's the one running the casino, but on paper he's not. They have this the senator guy, yeah, who's all in charge of everything. But Ace isn't running the casino on paper, but he's running it in person. So they have to keep changing his job title and everything, but no matter what, he's the guy in charge. And you're right, he does become obsessed with how this casino runs because he knows how to how to make it work, because he's been one of the best gamblers of all time at this point, right? He's always he always knows who to bet on to win. So he also knows how to cheat so he finds the cheaters easily, right? But he also can make it so people want to continue to gamble, right? And he takes care of all the the high-end guests and everything like that, right? So he's he's on top of it all. But with Nikki coming around, he's causing too much of like pushback against the casino and he's drawing too much attention, and that's when the FBI gets involved and they start investigating both of them as they're going.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And this is when Ace and Nikki's friendship begins to crack because Nikki becomes aware less and less controllable.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like Nikki wants Sam to be on board, to do what he needs him to do, to be this this cohesive team with the casino and what he's doing.
SPEAKER_05And the boys back home.
SPEAKER_01And the boys back home. But Sam is uh essentially scared out of it. You know what I mean? He's like, You're doing too much, you need to step back. Yeah, but and uh when Nikki doesn't, Sam starts to pull back, and Sam starts to worry about himself and he starts doing his own, you know, he's trying to get certified, he's trying to be legit, you know, and run a casino the way he wants to. Yeah, so it's definitely an interesting story. Like we said before, like maybe the execution on how everything was came together. Maybe not perfect, but like so far, I'm in. You know what I mean? I'm in, even though there's been some, you know, iffy parts here and there, you know.
SPEAKER_05Around this time when Nikki starts losing his his shit, Ginger's also starting to lose it her shit. And I think a lot of it's because uh when when I say ace, I'm talking about Sam, and when he says Sam, he's talking about ace, just so everyone's clear. Um but Ace starts pulling back uh from everyone because he's so focused on controlling Nikki, making sure the casino's running and not pissing anyone off. But ginger starts spiraling into drugs and alcohol, and she keeps running back to to Lester. She steals a bunch of money from Ace and becomes increasingly unstable. To make things worse, Ginger and Nikki start getting a little too close for comfort, which as time goes on, leads into uh a complete and total affair between the two, which creates a a rift between uh Nikki and Ace.
SPEAKER_01So I at first I didn't see that coming in a way that like, yeah, she was flirty, that's just how she is.
SPEAKER_05She was flirting to hustle, she yeah, she was hustling him the whole time.
SPEAKER_01And you know, when she was like kissing him, uh the first time we saw this little interaction between them, at first I was like, maybe they're just close like that, you know what I mean? Like it didn't seem like like a lustful kiss or anything like that. It felt like a manipulative. Yeah, and he's just like, Yeah, yeah, whatever. And then the next time we see them together, and she's manipulating him again to get what she wants. She full on goes down on him, and they're banging, and I'm like.
SPEAKER_05I did not want to see Joe Pesci in this position whatsoever, or the second position, or the third position. But I think that Ginger knew exactly what she was doing, and she wanted to run away. She does run away multiple times in this movie. She wants to run away with Lester and take all of Ace's money. So she is going to go to the person that Ace is afraid of, which is Nikki, but also someone that he trusts, which is Nikki. Yeah. And the reason that she's doing all this stuff is not because she has feelings for Nikki. It is solely so he will be on her side and help her.
SPEAKER_01Especially at the end of the day when shit's gonna hit the fan. And it was better to have on your side the crazy asshole.
SPEAKER_05Yes, the short, crazy chihuahua of a man. He's not he's not a chihuahua. Joe Apeci, not a chihuahua, Nikki's a chihuahua. Got it. We love you, Joe Pesci. Don't come after us. Don't break our knee. My knees are already bad. I'm in my 30s. So the Empire starts collapsing. The FBI's surveillance and invest investigations tying up around the casino. They're catching things, they're seeing things, they know what's going on. Ace loses his gambling license, which he was he didn't really have because he was in limbo trying to get it all sorted, and that's why he would keep changing job titles.
SPEAKER_01But he lost the opportunity to get it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So he gets pushed out of the Tangiers technically, and the mob decides that Nikki has become too much of a liability for the guys back home.
SPEAKER_01It it's uh you can see that shift too when that happens because he fires the governor's son or the sheriff's son, or it's a big man.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's a guy who's like really important. I don't remember what he was.
SPEAKER_01And he fires his son, and his the guy comes in and says, He's a lawyer or something. Hire my son back. Yeah, I didn't really understand what he was, but I just knew he was important.
SPEAKER_05And he's like We watched this movie once, yeah, just once.
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah, and he's just like, hire my son back. And he's like, No. No, he's a liability to the casino. He is that guy sucks. Yeah, and then the guy's like cool, all right, you're done. All right, bet.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, with his cowboy hat. Bet. So everything kind of is falling apart at this moment, but Ace decides he's going to create like a talk show explaining all the secrets of casinos inside the casino. Yeah. Because he gets he loses his license, so he can't run the casino anymore. But he becomes the director of entertainment and makes himself a game, a night show host, basically. Like a talk show, late night talk show host. And all I saw Joker Joker. Yep. That's all I saw in my life. All we saw. There's this whole there's this whole scene where Ginger Ginger left and she comes back, and Ace this whole time has been like, done with her, get her out of here, all this stuff. And then she comes back and he goes, actually, you're just gonna listen to me, you're gonna do everything I say, but she still decides that that's not good enough and kidnaps their daughter, goes with Lester, they're trying to escape. Lester is a piece of shit, not only to Ginger, but to their daughter. Yeah, and I love how bratty this daughter is, and she just talks shit right back to him. Everything about her was great.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I wanted to see more of her talking shit to him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Because it it was like a moment of taking a breath, yeah, getting a chuckle, just slight relief.
SPEAKER_01I mean, she's still kidnapped, technically, but like she snaps back. Yeah, she's she's flying back, and and she knows that like whatever her mom is doing in this moment, drinking, doing coke, whatever.
SPEAKER_05They're doing coke in front of the kid.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she knows it's bad.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you can see that she's wants to go back with with Ace. She knows that he's a better role model than them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And in this movie, he's pretty damn good. Right. He's not drinking, he's not doing drugs. I think he's drinking, but he's not getting fucked up in front of his kid. Yeah. He's doing everything he can. He wakes up and like gets her ready for school and stuff. He's a good dad.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But Ginger is a piece of shit. Right. And she's completely lost it. She's coked out, she's drinking, she's doing all this shit. She stole all this money from him, but then she realizes that this isn't a good idea and she goes back, but it's not real. Yeah. It looks real in the movie, but she immediately flips again and goes to steal all the money again and try to get Ace killed.
SPEAKER_01Well, because she knows she's gonna get nowhere by running away.
SPEAKER_05Because he'll always find her.
SPEAKER_01Right. And Ace just wants his daughter back, and he's gonna find her, and she's not gonna get the money from him just because she has his daughter. He's gonna she realizes he's gonna get her back.
SPEAKER_05And that's why she goes back is so she can leave without the daughter. And that brings us to the entire kind of ending of the movie where she goes completely ballistic and starts wrecking the car into his car, trashing the house. But Ace all also has Don Rickles with a shotgun inside the house, ready to kill her because he thinks she's gonna kill him. But I think he just wants her dead. Yeah. At this point, his mobster roots have come out, he's ready to just get her out of the way.
SPEAKER_01I don't think Don Rickles says a single word in this movie.
SPEAKER_05He says some, but it's underneath the voiceover of Robert De Niro. And it was so funny because I'm like, that's Mr. Potato Head. Yeah. And he why is he in this movie? You got a dope ass guy like Don Rickles with a really like memorable voice, and you don't let him speak.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05It's it's ridiculous. It's so funny. So the cops finally get her out of there. She goes and immediately tries to take all the cash that he set aside for her in the in the bank, and that's kind of where the movie slowly starts ending.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, we're in the in the final, you know, final couple of scenes here, and of course, we get a voiceover to finish it off. Yeah, we're bringing it back around, rope everything together, and uh Ginger gets arrested for what? Because she stole money or something.
SPEAKER_05I don't remember. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01All I have is that it's not clear. I mean, it could be DUI, it could be anything at this point. But if like Sam walks away scot-free. Kind of. Kind of.
SPEAKER_05Because we have this montage at the end over underneath the voiceover where we see Ginger in a hotel room overdose in the hallway. She's good, she's dead. Then we have Nikki and his brother are brought out to meet the boys back home in a cornfield, and they get brutally beaten to death.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And I love that like Joe Pesci's doing his voiceover, and when he gets smacked with the bat, his voiceover goes. You know, like he lets out the little ha when he gets hit with the bat. That that is uh I'm glad they're dead.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Because they became such a fucking pain in the ass. Uh, because Ginger was trying to get Nikki to kill Ace the entire time at the end of the movie, and he struggled with that decision. Uh, but then Ace, we saw at the beginning of the movie him get into a car and it blows up. And we see him kind of flying through the flames in the the the title sequence at the beginning.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05But now at the end of the movie, we see that he escapes from the the car and survives the the explosion. And he gets out, and he he returns to sports batting.
SPEAKER_01But he sees the flames. He sees the flames start to spark in his car, and he gets out of the car just in the nick of time. That was so realistic.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No. No.
SPEAKER_05But he says in his voiceover that the car had a a default or a defect where there was a plate in a spot that that's the only reason he was saved. Sure. It's a Deus Ex mochina of car parts.
SPEAKER_01Right. If this if this is based on a true story, what really happened? And I I'm I'm sorry I didn't do my own digging on that. I'm just now thinking about it. Yeah. But what really happened?
SPEAKER_05But like, could the car bomb been staged? Maybe. Yeah, in real life. If this really, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Maybe he blew up his own car, maybe he wasn't even in the car and it blew up. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. But he survives.
SPEAKER_05He survives. He goes back to sports battles. He and then he's just remembering the good old days with the voiceover again. And it's over. And then the movie's over. It's just over. It just everything's exactly the same.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's no like real repercussions here other than Nikki's dead and ginger overdrive.
SPEAKER_05Ginger's dead. Sam slash ace and his daughter.
SPEAKER_01He's richer now. Yeah. Because he got away. He has a baby and is richer.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And that's that's the casino for uh casino.
SPEAKER_04Let me put my hands here. Casino. Fundamentally.
SPEAKER_01A good movie. A sound movie. I feel like if I watched it without the criticizing mind, movie critic mind, which let's let's be real here. We're we're kind of movie critics critics here at this point. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05We're not professional. We're not professional, but we movie lovers.
SPEAKER_01We dive deep into the movie. I'm a movie lover, you're a movie lover, we should love each other's movies. Love each other's movies. Um love each other's movies. But we have that mind where we're gonna dive deep and see the flaws that we never noticed before or the things that we didn't like that probably didn't bother us back then. Without watching it with a like a movie critic's mind years ago, I probably would have loved this movie. But digging deeper into it, watching it now for the podcast, there's a lot of flaws, and this movie felt rushed. I mean, it's hard, it's hard to say that about a three-hour movie, yeah, but there's a lot of things, just like in that review, they used a voiceover to cover up the mistakes or to cover up the things that didn't work. Instead of going back and reshooting it or going back and fixing it or realizing it's not working well in real time, they just throw that voiceover over 70% of this fucking movie. Really? And we don't really see what's happening when there's a voiceover. You get that small cut of the end of the voiceover, so we get this weird montage during the voiceover about what's going on, and then what actually happens is the end of the voiceover. You know what I mean? So it's like do they just grab random footage and throw it in there and show them doing stuff? Yeah. I think the most thought out part of the voiceover is uh the back room scene with the money stealing, with the stealing of the when it's explaining what's going on.
SPEAKER_05Because you might not catch it all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean that part, it was a good. It was a good. A good a good. It was a good, it was a good thing in that moment. The rest of it a bad. A bad. A real bad. A real bad. It's hard because I I had fun watching this movie. I had fun watching like how Vegas was back then, and I even looked up like is Vegas was Vegas really ran by the mafia back then. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. For sure. Oh, for uh for sure. Oh, for sure. Uh but I hated the kills because they felt so forced, and the actors getting killed were so bad. It was like look when he stabs that lady in the neck or whatever, she just goes, she doesn't even really react. She just goes, uh, and she just closes her eyes. Ugh. And the blood looks uh bad. Oh bad, and the blood looks so bad, so bad, so watery, so like Kool-Aid looking, 90s horrible, horrible. Yeah. With all that said, I still enjoy this movie a lot. I give this movie drum roll.
SPEAKER_05Okay. You sound like the cowardly lion.
SPEAKER_01I give this movie an eight. An eight? Yeah. Alright. I give it an eight just because I was extremely fascinated by the world of the mafia in Vegas. And I love Vegas. I know you love Vegas. And you're a Vegas baby. I could go 7.75, but I'm gonna keep it at an eight. Just because I love Vegas. And I don't love the mafia, but I find it fascinating.
SPEAKER_05Uh so okay, for me, like I mentioned earlier on, mafia movies weren't really my thing growing up. I wasn't that into the mafia. The most that I I could say is like I love The Godfather, and I think it's hard to watch Godfather Part 2, part one, and not compare those movies to any other mafia movie. I think they're just like cream of the crop. Some of the best. So when I watch any other mafia style movie, and I get their different time periods and everything like that, it's hard to not compare them. So sitting down watching any type of mafia movie, they're gonna get compared. Also love the mafia games, one and two peak. Yeah, but they are definitely set at the same time period as The Godfather. So maybe it's the time period of which the mafia interests me more so than it does in this movie.
SPEAKER_01Well, there's also like different versions, right? So you got your your 1920s uh mafias where they're shooting with Tommy guns. Yeah, and I like that shit. I like that shit too, and then you got this shit in the 90s where it's like, hey, let me just stab you in the neck, and I'm from Chicago. Back home. I'm from back home. Back home. Get me a slice of pizza while I stab you in the neck. You know what I mean? Sure. Give me a slice of hot dye while I stab you in the neck.
SPEAKER_05Chicago. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I I don't feel like I was fully invested in this movie, and it's probably why I didn't watch it. I see casino and my brain before before watching this, before knowing anything about it, my brain goes, Oh, that's like guys gambling the whole time. Right. It is, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's guys gambling the whole time, but with lives, with yeah, with lives and people and and and and emotions, emotions and friendship and friendship fuckers, and wives, and wives, uh and pimps.
SPEAKER_05Uh so watching this movie, sitting down, like we again, like we have said a bunch of times now, watching this movie, you don't I don't feel like I watch it. I feel like I listened to an audio book for most of this movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I feel like they get that the actors were handed the book and they go read the one through five out loud for the class, please. And Robert De Niro's like, I was a casino guy. That's the voice. I was a casino guy. I ran a casino. I was good at casinoing. And then Joe Pesci's like, hey, motherfucker, you know, break your knees. Break your knees, uh, motherfucker.
SPEAKER_01So it give me your kneecaps. I'll run around my neck.
SPEAKER_05Like Daryl Dixie. So most of this movie just felt like them reading off the script. I was so bored with the narration, halfway through the hour of narration you get at the beginning.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_05It's a staple in Scorsese movies to have narration telling you what's going on. I think a product of its time, yes, where it felt boring and dry and stale. I just wanted them to shut the fuck up and act in a scene together because the performances of all the actors together, fantastic. When it switched to another character giving voiceover halfway through the movie, I was so pissed. Yeah. Like, I'm so done with voiceover. And then it goes back to them acting. You're like, okay, fine. Everything's great. And then it's back to the fucking voice acting. And then Joe Petri gets hit in the fucking head with a bat, and he in the voiceover reacts to it. Thank you. That was fun. That was innovative. There was a lot of editing in this movie that felt off. It was either too quick or too slow. There was no cohesive editing style throughout this movie. It felt like Scorsese was like, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this. And now you see that one thing in all the other Scorsese movies, but the other two things that he tried fucked this movie up. Yeah. Like there were shots where the camera would go like side to side and like doing whip pans and stuff, and you're like, this is badass, but then it never happened again. I'm like, why are you tilting the camera in this scene to the action, but not in this one?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And there was just so much old school editing and new school editing mixed together with old school camera techniques, new school camera techniques, with really shitty voice acting. The effects aren't that great. Like you said, the blood is not that great. The kills, they're very fast sometimes. Like I liked the fast ones more than the deliberate ones where you like the first one, especially. Uh there's just the guy in the alleyway that gets shot, you know. Um, the guy they accidentally shoot who's holding a sandwich.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05That one's fine, but a lot of them just don't feel that great until you get to Joe Pesci and his brother. That one's good. But this movie to me was way too long. Most of it was voiceover. I think it looks nice. The performances of the characters in scenes together is great. I fucking hate Ginger.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. But there are people that are like that.
SPEAKER_05And Sharon Stone does such a great job playing this fucking psychopath of a of a person. But I was so fed up with her decision so quickly that by the end of it I was just hopeful that she was gonna die. And I don't know if that's the intent, but that's how it felt. So my overall, I think the movie's fine. I think if I watched it again, I'd probably be on my phone. I'd probably be doing other things, I'd probably do chores.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Because you don't need to watch it, you can just listen to the voiceover the entire time. Uh I'm giving this movie a 6.75.
SPEAKER_016.75.
SPEAKER_05And I almost gave it a six. But the performances of them in the rooms together, when the actors are acting off of each other, they're so good. And there are times where I was watching this, I'm like, this is why Robert De Niro's Robert De Niro. This is why Joe Pesci's Joe Pesci. Like, those moments stand out. The voiceover, though, pulled me out immediately. I was like, these guys, why are they so famous?
SPEAKER_01See, I can't get past their physical performance because they're stiff. I was introduced to Robert De Niro for the first time ever. Meet the parents. I never really understood why Robert De Niro was Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro, or just this amazing actor that everyone looked up to until I was like a late teen. Yeah. You know? And then I saw like Taxi Driver. And I saw other shit that he's in, good fellas, all that shit. Now I'm like, bro. Robert De Niro is so good. So good. That like he literally steals the spotlight in every scene that he's in here. So I I just couldn't get over that and and and I was entertained and I guess the voiceover didn't pull me out as much as it did for you. Yeah. But I mean I still liked it, and I would I would probably watch it again.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Have you seen Godfather Part 2?
SPEAKER_01Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_05Him and that can't be beat. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01For sure.
SPEAKER_05So that's that's my thing.
SPEAKER_01I Which I didn't see till I was like in my twenties. Right.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And that's that's the problem with with De Niro. Is he is an ad an actor for grown-ups, you know, like not kids. Right. So the question now is does this movie pass the nostalgia check? Is it a nostalgic movie? Is it something that should be passed down to your kids kind of deal? You know what I mean? Like that's what we're going after, right? It's these is this a movie if we would have seen it as children, would it have stuck in our brains? Yeah. My answer is no.
SPEAKER_01I'd say no.
SPEAKER_05I don't think it stands out enough to to fit into our nostalgia of the time period.
SPEAKER_01But it's not the Godfather, it's not good fellas, it's not all these other amazing Scorsese movies.
SPEAKER_05No, because even but not even Scorsese, but even like De Niro, you said Meet the Parents. How many times do you hear people quote meet the parents? Yeah. Still to this day.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05It's like I could not tell you any time anybody has quoted Cassina.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05At all. I agree. So yeah. I would don't think I'd recommend this movie to someone who's never seen it. If if I was to have to pick a Scorsese movie, this would not be the one.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05At all. It would probably I would probably say Wolf of Wall Street over this. I would say the departed, like the departed.
SPEAKER_01The departed.
SPEAKER_05I would say one of those over this 100%. But this movie, a lot of the times, casino felt like the Wolf of Wall Street, just in a different setting.
SPEAKER_01I I wish there was more casinoing. Or vice versa. Yeah. I wish there was more casinoing, or I was also kind of hoping that like Robert De Niro Ace would like spiral himself. You know?
SPEAKER_05I get what you mean though. Like a movie called Casino, and it's barely about a casino. Yeah. I want to know the inner workings of casinos, and I would have been more impressed with how the the boys back home dealt with the people cheating in a casino half the country away, you know? The scene where they bring that guy back was more interesting than any of the relationship drama.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I didn't care about Nikki going into people's houses and stealing shit.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_05I wanted to see the casino. Give me casino in my casino movie.
SPEAKER_01Give me casino. Can I change my score? Can I change my scene?
SPEAKER_05You're changing your score? This is the first time we've ever changed our score on the episode like this. Should I? You want to?
SPEAKER_01I mean, like the more we're talking about it now after the fact. So I'm gonna go down. Originally I said 7.5, brought it up to an 8. I'm bringing it back down to a 7.5.
SPEAKER_057.5. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because I didn't dislike it. But I'm also I'm also, you know, we're ta we talked about Godfather. We talked about all these other De Niro movies that are fucking amazing. And I can't I can't put it that high. You know what I mean? Yeah. I just can't. Yeah. So that's but I also don't want to go too low because I did enjoy watching this movie. Right. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05I get ya. Um, shall we spin the wheel? Yeah. We did the 90s. We're in the 90s right now. We're finishing the 90s. Yeah. What are you what are you thinking for the next one? Where do you want to go?
SPEAKER_01Um, I would love 98 because I just really want to watch Blade.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Um Have you heard the news that the Blade video game might get canceled? What?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's bad.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I still want 2010. Yeah. I'm just saying. I told you last, I think it was last episode or the week the one before. The one before. What I want to watch. Yeah. I want to watch it. Let's spin the fucking wheel. Spin it. Spin it. Spin it. People are gonna say it's fake. People are gonna say it's fake, dude. 2010.
SPEAKER_01It's your birthday. It's your birthday. It's your birthday. That's the year we graduated, baby.
SPEAKER_05It is all right. So movies that came out in 2010. Top one on the list. Toy Story 3.
SPEAKER_01Done. I I don't think we need to yet.
SPEAKER_05We I'd rather go to two and then three. Right. So uh Inception.
SPEAKER_01That's a good one. I have technically seen that movie. I don't remember a goddamn thing from that movie. Yeah. Not a single thing.
SPEAKER_05I had the same conversation with someone about a book today.
SPEAKER_01Really? Yeah. And I remember the whole top on the table thing. But like, what the fuck does that mean? I don't know. I don't know. I see the memes all the time. Like, ha ha. I know that's a that's a thing from the movie.
SPEAKER_05Uh Shutter Island. Good movie. Uh The Last Airbender. A horrible movie. Horrible movie. It's got 3.9.
SPEAKER_01Jesus.
SPEAKER_05Uh The Social Network. That's the movie I want to watch. I think we should watch it.
SPEAKER_01I like that movie a lot.
SPEAKER_05I haven't seen it in a long time.
SPEAKER_01I like that movie a lot, and I haven't seen it in a while, so maybe my thoughts have changed. Maybe? Maybe that's the whole point of this show. That is the whole point of the show. I said maybe. Grown-ups? I like that movie. It's stupid, funny, but it's The Town.
SPEAKER_04I have not seen that. I've heard things. I've heard things.
SPEAKER_05I hate to tell you this. I haven't seen it either.
SPEAKER_01Oh shit. Yeah. What else is on there? That's one with the nuns, right? And they're like robbing a bank or something.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I think it's like Ben Affleck. Yeah, I've heard things. Yeah, Ben Affleck. I haven't actually seen it. John Ham? Jeremy Renner's in this? Oh shit. Blink Lively. Um Chris Cooper. Blink Lively's in it. Yuck. Oof. Oof. Ooh, get that shit away from me. She's just problematic now, but whatever. Um, Insidious. How to Train Your Dragon. Seen it. Black Swan. Seeing it. Tangled.
SPEAKER_01Seeing it.
SPEAKER_05Shit. Scott Pilgrim vs. the world. Seeing it. I think we're gonna watch the social network next week.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let's do it.
SPEAKER_05And we'll decide what we're gonna watch the week after.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05And we'll tell you next week. So join us next week. We're gonna watch 2010's The Social Network for a nostalgia check. And we're gonna see if it holds up because I remember this being one of those movies where it might have been one of those movies where everyone was like, you gotta see it. It's so good. And I looked at it and said, This is too artistic for my 18-year-old brain. Right. And then I saw it.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_05Everything changed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_05I can't wait. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be fun to go back to this movie, I think.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_05Um, I think that's it for this week's episode, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05How are you feeling?
SPEAKER_01I'm feeling pretty damn good. Feeling pretty good? I think we should remind the people to leave us a five-star review.
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SPEAKER_01Lou Frigna.
SPEAKER_05I can't friggin' wait. I want him to sign my copy of I Love You Man.
SPEAKER_01That's sick.
SPEAKER_05Who else?
SPEAKER_01Uh Deep Roy.
SPEAKER_05Who else? Uh uh Kelly Kelly. Who else? The big one.
SPEAKER_01Shatner, dude. William Shatner. I almost forgot. He's gonna how could you forget? We're influencers for Steve Gamergon. I'm gonna bring him uh a poster just for him to keep.
SPEAKER_05Just for him to keep.
SPEAKER_01Priceline. Yeah. I'm gonna say that's the only thing I know you from. What else have you done? You're the Priceline guy.
SPEAKER_05That's some funny shit we should do. We should do that. We'll get a poster of I Love You Man and a cutout. We'll find a cardboard cutout of Will Shannon from Priceline. Uh next.
SPEAKER_01What's your daughter doing? Whoa. Whoa! Kaylee Buco. Oh, yeah. That's is that his daughter? His daughter in the commercials.
SPEAKER_05In the commercials. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_01Not in real life.
SPEAKER_05I was like, what a in the commercials. Okay, anyways, we're we're going off the rails here a little bit at the end of this episode. So thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of BJ in the morning. My name's Brendan.
SPEAKER_01And I'm Juan. And we'll talk to you next time. Keep your kneecaps.